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The Adorkable Misogyny of The Big Bang Theory


This is tag two, take one. Mark. The Big Bang theory is the most popular show on television It centers on four male friends who are characterized by essentially every Hollywood stereotype about geeks and nerds in existence. “Alright, just a few more feet and… Here we are gentlemen The Gates of Elzebub.” “Good Lord!” “Don’t panic. This is what the last 97 hours have been about.” Leonard, Sheldon, Howard, and Raj all lack most of the traits traditionally associated with leading men in Hollywood. They’re not conventionally handsome. They’re not confident, and they’re definitely not athletic. What they are, are dorky insecure fanboys who are plagued with a wide variety of anxieties, illnesses, and awkward personality quirks. They also happen to be the perfect embodiment of a media trope which I call: The Adorkable Misogynist. Adorkable Misogynists are male characters, w hose geeky version of masculinity is framed as both comically pathetic and endearing. “Wait, wait, what’s on top of them?” “Wireless webcams! Wave hello!” And it’s their status as nerdy nice guys that then lets them off the hook for a wide range of creepy, entitled and downright sexist behaviors. “You may want to put on slacks” “What? Ew. Stop it! No! Leave me alone.” Now in order to help explain how this convention works we will need to take a quick trip back in time to the 1980s. The year was 1984. “Say ‘Cheese!'” “Cheese!” And one of the most popular summer movies was a film called Revenge of the Nerds. These weren’t the first socially awkward nerds to grace the big screen, but they did help popularize this type of character. Over the next few years this geeky guy archetype quickly gained traction in Hollywood. And by the 1990s it had become something of a mainstay in comedy entertainment. It’s worth noting that this type of character is nearly always white– though there are a few rare exceptions. “Caught ya sweetums!” The Hollywood Nerd is almost always positioned in opposition to the expected norms of Macho Manhood. This is usually accomplished through the juxtaposition with the jock archetype. When contrasted with hyper masculine guys who perform a crude, aggressive form of manhood, our geeky hero gets to be framed as the better, smarter, more sensitive alternative. He’s the misunderstood nice guy. “Hi Betty.” “I’m not kissing a nerd.” He was unfairly bullied and mocked by his peers. “Hey, not every guy’s born with blonde hair and a chin you can crack walnuts with.” “To catch babes, I had to use my imagination.” He’s presented as the clear underdog in the manhood competition. “You saying I’m out of this world? Hehe.” “Oh Lisa, I love the excitement of chasing you.” (Screams) “Is this a good time to ask you about the dance?” On closer inspection however, we start to notice that these type of characters are shown engaging in a variety of harassing, entitled and sexist behavior where women are concerned. They consistently stalk, spy on, lie to, and try to manipulate the women in their lives. They’re overbearing. They refuse to take no for an answer and they often ignore the basic tenants of consent. Most of this behavior falls under the rubric of sexual harassment, and occasionally it escalates to the level of sexual assault. Both Revenge of the Nerds and Sixteen Candles include scenes in which Geeky nice guys commit acts of rape. This type of behavior should be understood as reprehensible. I say should be because that’s not how these TV shows and movies frame it. Instead this behavior is framed as kind of pathetic but ultimately harmless and even endearing in an adorkable sort of way. “You’re that nerd.” “Yeah.” “God, you were wonderful.” “Thanks.” And it’s the adorkable part of the adorkable misogynist that makes this trope so insidious. So let’s return to The Big Bang Theory. “We have to get rid of the time machine.” The four geeky friends on this show are written to be genuinely likable guys. They’re even capable of fleeting moments of heartfelt sensitivity, thoughtfulness, and sweetness. “What is it?” “It’s a snowflake from the North Pole.” “Are you serious?” “It’ll last forever. I preserved it in a 1% solution of polyvinyl acetyl resin.” This non-threatening, adorkable framing is designed to excuse the other more toxic part of the trope. The four leading men on Big Bang Theory each present their own distinct flavor of adorkable misogyny. Howard is the creepy pervert with a heart of gold. “Come to Papa you unkosher delight!” “I’m not necessarily talking to the food.” “Would you have opened the door if you knew it was me?” “Not since I found out the teddy bear you gave me had a webcam in it.” Throughout the first several seasons. He’s depicted as a wannabe pickup artist. “Yes. We’re here to fix the cable.” He stalks, harasses, objectifies, and tries to trick dozens of women into sleeping with him. Howard talks about women the way a zookeeper might talk about trapping and taming wild animals. “See first we let the lawyers and the jocks thin the herd, and then… we go after the weak and the old and the lame” He’s conniving, he’s manipulative, and his behavior sometimes crosses the line into criminal activity. “There’s the house! I found America’s Top Models!” “Are you sure?” “Look on the roof! Anaise and Giselle are sunbathing!” “European-style” “You can recognize people on Google Earth?” “Of course not. I got a buddy of mine at NORAD to have a spy drone fly over.” I should note that once Howard is in a committed long-term relationship, the way that his male chauvinism is expressed does shift slightly. So he stops trying to be a womanizer, but he still demands to be taken care of. And he refuses to share in any of the domestic responsibilities. “Wanna pause the video game and help me clean up?” “I am cleaning up. Look at the mess the Joker made of Gotham City!” “I want this to feel like my house too.” “Oh, honey. Of course this is your house. Why else would you be cleaning it all the time?” Raj is the sensitive guy turned inappropriate drunk. He’s the show’s token geek of color and is endlessly mocked for being the most effeminate of the four friends. “I’m sorry, what was your name again?” Raj is also the most socially awkward around women. In the first few seasons, he can’t speak to women at all. “That’s just fascinating!” “Thank you.” Except when he’s drunk or on drugs. “Would you like to hear more about it in my hot tub?” And it’s in those uninhibited moments when we see some very extreme levels of underlying misogyny come to the forefront. “I’m very comfortable here.” “Penny dear – why don’t you shoot another Silver bullet my way?” “Where are you going? We’re doing so well… She never even got to see my penis!” “Tada!” Leonard is the nice guy enabler. He plays the more down-to-earth, “normal” one of the group. Still, he participates in much of the same behavior as his cohorts, just to a lesser degree. Leonard’s character arc is basically the pathetic nice guy who refuses to take no for an answer, …and who eventually gets the girl. “How did you get her to go out with you?” “Well, she moved in across the hall.” “He started to slowly wear me down.” “Like a river carves a canyon.” One of the roles that Leonard plays on the show is as the guy who excuses and enables the sexism of his male friends. “You know that deep down inside Howard’s a really nice guy.” “Cut the crap, you set this up didn’t you?” “Yes.” “She’s a hooker, isn’t she?” “A prostitute, yes.” “You already gave her the money?” “Yes.” “Thank you!” He might roll his eyes at his friend’s antics, but he never seriously challenges their behavior. “But I’d like to get lost in her Bermuda Triangle.” “That’s not helpful.” “Then I won’t say I’d like to cover three quarters of her surface area.” “Are we done?” And his mild protests work as a springboard for still more sexist jokes. “Not yet. This is fun! Oooh. I know! I’d let her free my willy!” Sheldon, is the innocent bigot. Most of the guys display a general disdain for icky girl stuff, but Sheldon is the one who harbors the most virulent form of casual misogyny. “Tonight’s theme flags of countries that have been torn apart and the women I have a feeling were responsible.” “My father used to say that a woman is like an egg salad sandwich on a warm, Texas day.” “What?” “Full of eggs and only appealing for a short time.” The whole shtick of Sheldon’s character is that he’s too smart to understand or care to understand what’s socially appropriate and what’s not. As such, he’s dismissive of nearly everyone and their feelings. But when he belittles and devalues women it’s very specifically because they are women. “Thanks to you, I know better than to ask if you’re menstruating.” “And based on your behavior, I don’t have to.” “All you hear women say is I’ll just have a salad.” “Where’s my lipgloss? I think this element should be called radium.” “That last one was Madame Curie. You know what, she was kind of an honorary man. She had a penis made of science.” So how does the Big Bang Theory keep us as the audience sympathetic to men who behave in such reprehensible ways? Well, it’s done by leaning heavily on a combination of ironic humor and a popular writer’s trick known as lamp shading. Most of the jokes on The Big Bang Theory, such as they are, revolve around the following ironic hook: Since geeky guys don’t fit into the macho mold of what we expect sexism or male entitlement to look like, it’s funny to watch them engaging in that type of behavior. “It’s ‘anything-can-happen-Thursday, let’s hit the clubs and meet hot women!” “Here we go! Lock up your daughters. We’re gonna hit it and quit it!” Notice that the target of the joke is not the misogynist behavior. “Or… we could finish eating and go to the comic book store.” “Also a good plan.” Instead, it’s making fun of men who are not traditionally masculine enough to believably pull it off. “Smell that? That’s the smell of new comic books.” Unlike many of our earlier examples from the 1980s, the creepy behavior on the Big Bang Theory is meant to be understood for what it is. “I know you think you’re some sort of smooth-talking ladies man, but the truth is you are just pathetic and creepy” And this is where ironic lamp-shading comes in. “So, what are you saying?” Which is when media makers deliberately call attention to a dissonant or overly cliched aspect of their own production. Rather than writing better different punchlines, writers attempt to duck any potential criticism by pointing out the sexism inherent in their own jokes themselves. “That’s it confirmed. We now have the address of the top model house.” “Hey, for the record what you guys are doing is really creepy.” “You know what, if it’s creepy to use the internet military satellites and robot aircraft to find a house full of gorgeous young models so that I can drop in on them unexpectedly then fine. I’m creepy.” This technique of making something super obvious to viewers is meant to let us know that the writers are self-aware and to make us feel like we’re all in on the joke. Most comedy writers know that retrograde style bigotry is no longer acceptable on prime-time television. But many of them still want to use sexist, racist, and homophobic jokes as an easy way to get cheap laughs. “Actually, Indian Monopoly is just like regular accept the money’s in rupees instead of hotels you build call centers and, when you pick a chance card you might die of dysentery.” Ironic lamp shading provides a clever way for them to keep getting away with it. “Just FYI, that was racist.” Now the problem with this comedic device is that by itself, “Hey! Why am I in charge your phone support? Seems a bit racist.” it doesn’t critique or challenge sexism, homophobia, or racism. It simply acknowledges it in a humorous way. “Very clever, but still racist.” “Duly noted, Steve from Wichita.” Acknowledging bigotry is not the same thing as critiquing bigotry especially when the punch lines end up making light of serious social issues like sexual harassment. “Dr. Cooper, you said things to your employee that you just cannot say in the workplace.” “Oh, I see the confusion here. No, no, Alex thought I was singling her out. No, I meant that all women are slaves to their biological urges, You know? Even you.” So while it’s true the message of The Big Bang Theory isn’t, “sexism is super cool.” “Relax, no one’s gonna be looking at her hair.” I’d argue the implications are much more troubling. Because the show’s message is more akin to sexism is mostly harmless. And especially when that sexism is coming from geeky guys. “There are pitfalls trust me. I know when it comes to sexual harassment law I’m a bit of a self-taught expert.” Adorkable Misogyny is presented as just another socially awkward personality quirk as something that’s perhaps deserving of an eye-roll, or an exasperated look, or maybe some light-hearted chiding but never as something to be taken seriously or seriously challenged. “You’re engaged to my friend.” “Hey, Bernadette doesn’t mind where I get my motor running as long as I park in the right garage.” “I can’t believe you’re engaged to my friend.” At its core, the adorkable misogynist trope is built around the old axiom that, “boys will be boys”. And what that phrase really means is, “boys will be sexist” or, “boys will be creepy stalkers who sexually harass women,” as the case may be. On the very rare occasions when one of the geeks is called out for his sexism, the audience is meant to feel bad for him because his feelings got hurt. On television men’s feelings and bruised egos are nearly always depicted as more important than women’s comfort, or women’s safety. “Okay, look, Howard. I just want to apologize.” The adorkable misogyny of the four main characters on The Big Bang Theory is tolerated. It’s tolerated by their peers, by their girlfriends, and by their employers. “Well, despite your quirks, the three of you are very accomplished in your respective fields.” “I don’t know what you mean by quirks, but um” The trope downplays the sexism of men who don’t fit into the macho stereotype by framing it as pathetic, as non-threatening, and is not that big of a deal. Of course the reality is that sexism is a big deal as practically any women involved in geek subcultures will tell you. “Everybody’s staring at me.” There is, sadly, no shortage of real-life examples of men involved in nerdy hobbies or professions who behave EXACTLY like the guys on The Big Bang Theory, and it’s not harmless, and it’s not adokable. Harassment scandals that have been sweeping through Silicon Valley. 60 percent of women who work in the tech industry have reported unwanted sexual advances. In it’s simplest form, it’s a torrent of attacks against women. …frequent problem inside Uber: sexual harassment and sexism. And it’s harmful in all the ways The Big Bang Theory tells us it’s not. It’s damaging to women. It’s damaging to their sense of safety, to their well-being and to their careers. Former Google engineer who wrote a 10 page memo criticizing the company’s diversity programs saying women lag behind in the tech world because of their biology. The unnamed Google engineering employee wrote, “Biological causes may explain why we don’t see equal representation Men have a higher drive for status and women on average have more neuroticism. If we added a laugh track to that clip it would be indistinguishable from the casual sexism that we can see on practically any episode of The Big Bang Theory. “The trouble isn’t with me, Penny. It’s with your gender. Someday scientists will discover that second x chromosome contains nothing, but nonsense and twaddle.” “We’re talking about Penny’s job.” “And how difficult it is to do when she’s bloated, cranky, and crampy? Continue.” Just because the performance of a geeky version of masculinity is markedly different from traditional Hollywood archetypes that doesn’t necessarily mean that geeky guys are any less invested in sexism. The bottom line here, is that there’s nothing cute or harmless about misogyny. Even when it’s coming from men who may play Klingon Boggle. It’s really not that difficult to write nerdy male characters who aren’t total creeps. There’s Abed from the show Community. “You have to understand about Abed, he’s usually – you know – adorable weird, like Mork from Ork.” There’s Lionel, from “Dear White People,” the TV series. And there’s Ben from, “Parks and Rec.” “Presenting, “The Cones of Dunshire,” a brand new gaming experience.” All these characters somehow managed to perform a quirky, awkward, and often humorous form of masculinity without the undercurrent of retrograde sexism. It’s long past time for Hollywood writers to retire the adorkable misogynist trope once and for all. Thanks for watching if you’d like to see more long-form video essays that deal with the intersections of politics, masculinity, and media, then you can go over to Patreon and help fund the project there. There’s also a link to PayPal in the description below. I’ll see you all next month with another video about Big Bang Theory, this time about geeky masculinity.

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  • Holy shit dude. You're so freaking right! I've really disliked this show for a couple years now, but you explained why that is. Thank you!!

  • This video encapsulates why I have absolutely no time for Big Bang Theory and have never been able to understand why it's so popular.
    Additionally, the depiction of gaming, comics, science fiction, science, maths & engineering as primarily the domain of awkward, creepy sexist men is just insulting to people who actually work in science and technology fields, or have hobbies/interests in those areas, and don't behave this way.
    Nice to see that people see through this bullshit.

  • I used to really enjoy The Big Bang Theory because I enjoy laughing at my own nerdy/geeky tendencies, but once they introduced the Amy and Bernadette (the leading female scientist characters), I started to realize the insidious misogynist/homophobic/racist jokes that were in it and find their brand of humor to be disgusting and hurtful. I agree with Pop Culture Detective's analysis that there are SO many examples of such men who behave like the guys on TBBT who are definitely NOT adorkable whatsoever.

  • Thank you so much for this video. Most of my friends (male and female) watch this show and love it. I used to see it too until I just started feeling uncomfortable with the comments without knowing why. I never liked Howard and Sheldon, but I still liked Raj and Leonard, even though I can now see their misogyny as well. Thanks for pointing out what was so hard for me to put into words.

  • So good! Thank you. Would love a follow up on this regarding the online “incel” community… just seems like adorkable misogyny on steroids really.

  • So good! And very well articulated. The sad part is if a woman did this video she'd be slaughtered, called a feminazi with a few rape threats put in.

  • Love the video. The only part I didn't like was using Ben Wyatt as an example of a good nerd character. While he is a good person by and large in the show, he was extremely boring and unlikable for me. He tended to serve as a vehicle for the emotional parts of the show as opposed to the comedic parts, and I'm having a really hard time thinking of any segment of the show where I thought "that was a great ben wyatt moment"

  • I agree 100% I used to enjoy that show but I never appreciated how they never took a serious approach to the characters sexist attitudes and improved them.

  • "This doesn't challenge sexism. It just acknowledges it in a humorous way. " Thats cause if we want to truly challenge sexism, we would start with all the number 1 music videos on youtube. But for some reason no one wants to acknowledge those as anything but "just fun music"
    Very well articulated video. Great work.

  • show was cute at first(1-2-3 ish) then few seasons in their misogynistic behaviors just destroyed any form of comedy, it became a cringe fest. hate the show. great video great explanation, and ABED(from community) IS AWESOME!!

  • this video and your view on issues is simply clever: you totally see the true things hidden under the surface of comedy, romance and everything. I've watched five of your videos until now, and it's like two a.m. in the morning, just cause i couldn't get enough of your revolutional, true and interesting point of view. I indeed agree with everything. Please, Keep up with the good work!
    (Sorry for the bad english, i'm italian :))

  • It's so nice that a man is doing a video like this, but also sad it's the only way most people would validate the criticism

  • I can't stand this stupid fucking show, or any show written by Chuck Lorre ("2 and a Half Men", "Dharma and Greg"). Network televison is garbage.

  • Damn I came into this feeling like this was going to be some over-sensitive argument about some mild comedic aspect of the show but damn, there is a lot of low-key misogyny in that show. I always knew Howard was a creep, but even the other guys did it too. A very good argument.

  • thats a pretty big dislike bar yet i cant manage to find anyone offering any counterarguments in the comments. (i've scrolled for a long time and also sorted by new)
    guess its just butthurt fans then

  • thanks for ending with shows that have examples of geekiness without sexism. its so ingrained in us but things can change and it doesn't have to be for the worse.

  • I tried watching some of this show, but it never sat well with me and I couldn't tell what the appeal was. I could never tell what exactly the characters are meant to be for the audience. One moment seems to be a critique of something, while the next seems to be intent on negating that critique. Beyond that, the characters are cringe-worthy stereotypical nerds, which, in and of itself, seems like unironically picking on nerds for fun. If it had a clear direction, the "adorkable misogyny" would probably be fine, you can feature and even laugh at "bad behavior" without encouraging it.

  • Lovely video. I've seen this kinda guys everywhere who think they're entitled to women and have a free pass to be shitty and queerphobic because they're "Nice Guys, unlike those evil jocks!1!1!!!!" Glad you come to deconstruct that shit trope in TBBT. They are the furthest thing from adorkable, ever. They're just fucking abusive… and I wish people see it as harmful

    Also what the fuck are those laugh tracks. None of this is funny!

  • Thank you so much for making this excellent video. I'll share it everywhere I go! Also, I would really appreciate it if you could make another video analyzing sexism on the TV show 'Friends.' I really don't understand when people claim that show is "good" and even venerate it.

  • That´s exactly why I didn't like that show. Because it depicts sexism as a harmless thing so everybody can be like that without being big deal.

  • I had a feeling that you'd bring up Revenge of the Nerds. As a kid watching the nerd dressed as Darth Vader get to have sex with the hot chick, I wondered if that would be considered rape at the time.

  • The most eye opening part of this video for me was your analysis of Leonard. I realized that I know so many Leonards. So many people who won’t challenge the misogyny I experience in life. So many “nice guys”. What’s even worse is realizing that I can be a Leonard. It’s so easy to roll my eyes and to just play off jokes as just that. It can be exhausting. I guess I just have to do better. Call out what I see and challenge what I experience.

  • Isn't it interesting that 'nerds' hold "Star Trek" in the highest regard and that that show was one of the first or perhaps the actual first show to cut into the "Madmen" weltgeist of the time. A black woman, an Asian and gasp, an alien in positions of responsibility on the bridge of a United States of Planets starship. Outrageous!

  • HOW👏🏻IS👏🏻THIS👏🏻THE👏🏻LONGEST👏🏻ONGOING👏🏻SHOW👏🏻EVER

    This is disgusting. I’m glad it probably wouldn’t survive if it premiered today.

  • I had no clue lamp-shading worked so well on me. It's a good thing I pirated all the episodes of TBBT that I watched XD.

  • the premise of this show could have been so much better. it could have been a meaninful show, tackling issues like sexism, toxic masculinity, science politics, autism etc…

  • Rewatching this after hearing the show finally ended. It’s bizarre how long it went on for. I know a lot of ‘woke’ girls who loved it and it’s feels odd how this went under their radar. I always found Sheldon the most insidious because his behaviour is excused in part because of his implied autism which is actually very damaging on the way autistic people are viewed and portrayed. This humour just feels so outdated but it’s shocking how many ‘nerdy’ boys actually act like it. Any girl who’s been a part of a largely masculine fandom has an experience with a guy like this.

  • this show is trash, it was trash when it started, and its trash now. Its for people who like to think they're intellectuals, this show is no more clever than 2 1/2 men.

  • I showed this to my mom and she was just laughing at the clips, and then told me i shouldnt be so dramatic

  • Im a geek and I'm angry at them for the way they treat women there is no reason for that bad behaviour

  • Come to think of it, the guy who essentially sexually assaulted me always threw pity parties about how he wasn't like "other guys."

  • This was a great video! Very vital points and it’s amazing that another man sees this and points it out so articulately!

  • This video is very important, because even if TBBT is end now, that was a popular show who had a big impact in our society
    I'm a woman who love nerd stuff like Star wars,comics books,videos games etc but when you are a woman and talk about that: you're mocked, harass, reject and on the worst case sexual harass because you are a woman who love things that usually see like "for man", and oh my god TBBT don't help to broke this vision of the gender.
    I am remember to go to a video game shop, just for but a simple video game it's not a big deal for mens,but I'm a woman and I was saw by mens like a piece of meat, a target to send their best sexiest jokes, but that was not fun that was terrifying and since that I never come back in video game shop because sexism is everywhere, in school, in streets, in media and TBBT completely fails to criticise the sexism by his characters and in some part justify sexism because yeah the characters are build to touch the public and we easily apologie them but we should don't it's not normal to see Penny apologies for the creepy comportement of Howard, what the message ? That woman needs to shut up because geek man are show more adorable that other man, it's so bad
    That why the show, don't talk so much about the PHD of the girls ( even when Amy have a prize in the last episode Sheldon spoke much WTF they work together!) and the most of the girls are show like not interest in nerdy things but we are, woman are interested in that, but if a show like TBBT give bad message and representation to a big public, woman will always be afraid to talk about their passions, to even try to be passionate by nerdy things , media have a big impact in our society and shows of today needs to undertands that sexism is not acceptable and delete toxic type like the adorakable misogyny

  • Excellent analysis!

    I don't watch a lot of TV or movies, but I've been noticing a lot of this in American movies especially after the #metoo moment (because of my attention, not the films themselves). Now I don't know if this type of behaviour is just a movie thing or an actual real life American thing, but all that rage over a Gillette ad, gamer gate, Anita Sarkeesian, trolling, incels etc. points in a direction that this is a serious problem in America.

    In any case don't think I will be watching the big bang theory, since I find it even more cringe now.

  • "…most of the jokes on The Big Bang Theory (such as they are)…"

    i only caught this quip on my second viewing and now I love this video even more

  • seriously thank you for this. There is no way I could say any of this without being shut down as an angry autistic woman. Not only that but your analysis is deeply rooted in research, and looks at the whole situation objectively. Just these clips alone made me feel physically sick (and reminded me of the times I'd been told similar 'facts' about my gender… ugh). What's even more frustrating is being consistently compared to Sheldon Cooper, because he is one of the only autistic characters on tv. They take the most stereotyped tropes of autistic behaviour, pour them all into Sheldon and use them to make him a HORRIBLE person, and justify it behind the fact that he 'doesn't understand' that he's horrible. Funnily enough, I don't know a single autistic person who is like Sheldon, despite him being heavily autistic-coded, and now officially dubbed autistic by the writers. I just… I don't have the words to describe it right now, but there is so much info in our community, if you ever feel like tackling that whole shitpile

  • I kind of liked this show… but got more and more uncomfortable and frustrated, and finally creeped out, by exactly what you're talking about here. I stopped watching it quite a while ago and won't be going back. Thanks for pointing out a few of the good geek characters. I would LOVE to see more of them!

  • 35,000 dislikes. I appreciate you making this. This is my kind of nitpicking. Call it out man. It’s not a small issue, it’s media man, admitting how pervasive and influential it is helps us be better in the long term. And yes, it is lazy writing.

  • I always thought there was something off putting about this show, but I never wanted to watch it enough to put a finger on it. I usually ignore when all my peers want me to watch something, telling me I'm missing out on a great show. Now I know they were all just lowkey sexist and I'm glad I didn't bandwagon

  • I watched one season of this show when it first came out. On the surface it was "funny" then it just kept re-hashing the same stuff all over again, just spewing out pop/geek culture references with no finesse whatsoever. I kept seeing clips of newer episodes and it's more of the same, with more current references, same old misogyny. I don't see how people think this is actually good.

  • So, I'm aware of this and it does bug me, but does it mean I should stop watching this kind of stuff? Because honestly, it's still a guilty pleasure of mine…

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